Reasoning behind Sub Downs

24 Feb 2018 12:21:28 #1

War Machine
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Now that there's a Poll on the front page, some people may be confused behind the reasoning for Sub Downs at level 99. While 99 isn't necessary, higher than 60 is a must for the staking scene given the cost related to making a staker as far as skipping quests.

In the past on Emulation, depending on the Era, Dragon Items required no quests. Some time periods did require quests, but never for Dragon Square. Now, that has all changed. Quests can be skipped, but for a fee. Around 5-6M to skip Quests. It hurts the staking scene, but is a good gold sink.

As a fresh server with limited gold in-game, many players are in the process of reliving the past and making 61's. Acquiring 5-6M takes some time, then you have to buy a Med Sq and then still need gold to stake with, hence current lack of 61's. With Sub Downs capped at 30, if you make a staker and it sucks, you're just SOL. I met a 61 today with 66 Attack. Pretty much poured everything into Defence. He had 150K cash to his name after paying for quests and Dragon Equipment. Unfortunately for him, he will lose literally 100% of the time vs anyone who knows how to make a good build.

Anyone making a 1 Defencer or Mage, 30 is pretty adequate for training. The purpose of Sub Downs on a higher level is mainly for the staking scene. Currently, if you make a staker and it sucks, not only do you have to remake a new staker, you have to pay to skip Quests, again! Sub Downs let people switch up and test stats to their liking. Any player wanting an active staking scene it is an absolute necessity. It will also make Subs much more useful and valueable as there are currently MASSIVE subs in-game. This should clear it up for anyone confused behind the reasoning 🙂

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24 Feb 2018 12:43:52 #2

Mod Gava
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+1 I agree, it cost a fortune to make a 61.

I've personally wanted one myself or two.. But atm its way too expensive which is also required to skip quests etc.

But once you make one, and it doesn't work I feel like you should be able to adjust the stats somehow & not have to do another one.
I used to stake ALOT on 61s back in 09 at v1. Loved it, was really fun.

So I would love to do it here too someday when I get more gp's 🙂.

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24 Feb 2018 13:02:18 #3

Samuca
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I voted for sub downs at 30, but after reading this thread I agree it should be higher than that to get more flow in staking.

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24 Feb 2018 13:28:30 #4

Mod Gava
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I Also voted for 30. But same as u Samuca, he has a very good point.

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24 Feb 2018 14:10:33 #5

evans1089
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IMO to solve the issue, remove or lower the cost to use drag shield. The staking scene is dead.
Me persoanally I love it, win or lose. But I ain’t paying whatever was mentioned above. I’ve not even hit 4m in gp yet. So for now, no 61 staking for me.

More staking, means 50/50 win or lose. That 50% who lose will need to find ways to build their wealth again.
Subs are the quickest form of gp...
So the server income would increase and they will carry on staking.

- Last edited by evans1089 (24 Feb 2018 14:13:03)

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24 Feb 2018 14:46:38 #6

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+1 was gonna make a thread about this but beat me to it . 61s are the reason I like this server tbh . It was my form of fun . I don't really pk and the staking scene is dead which blows so it needs to be altered so that we have the same amount of 61s as before if not more .

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24 Feb 2018 14:49:16 #7

danielz
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Make the staking scene like it was on every server. No pl8 no axe. To wear d med sq without paying money lvl 61 combat only without fee

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24 Feb 2018 15:02:48 #8

Mr Wealthy
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Well yeah it's all common sense to have it at 99. Staker or not. You pay for a stat deduction you should be able to decide how far down I want!

- Last edited by Mr Wealthy (24 Feb 2018 15:04:08)

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24 Feb 2018 15:06:16 #9

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evans1089 wrote
IMO to solve the issue, remove or lower the cost to use drag shield. The staking scene is dead.
Me persoanally I love it, win or lose. But I ain’t paying whatever was mentioned above. I’ve not even hit 4m in gp yet. So for now, no 61 staking for me.
More staking, means 50/50 win or lose. That 50% who lose will need to find ways to build their wealth again.
Subs are the quickest form of gp...
So the server income would increase and they will carry on staking.

I agree, should just make it free to equipped sq, klanks, plate, ect. We don't need a money sink on stakers there is not enough for a need to have money sink atm

- Last edited by Mr Wealthy (26 Feb 2018 09:48:22)

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24 Feb 2018 15:37:59 #10

Samuca
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Not sure I agree with no fee to use those itens. Maybe reduce the amount, but something must be charged.

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24 Feb 2018 16:21:41 #11

Drax
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Mod Gava wrote
I Also voted for 30. But same as u Samuca, he has a very good point.

To be honest, I've been working at 30 for a while now and it isn't really good enough. The only reason I voted for 30 is because I've had to work with it and don't really think it'd be fair to change the rules for folks who've been dicking with it the way it is for a month now.

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24 Feb 2018 17:18:21 #12

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I heard War Machine bug abused runecrafting and has 250 mil gp.

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24 Feb 2018 17:48:02 #13

zyzz
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Just make it so if your level is over 60 that you can only lower your stats with sub to 60 lowest. If your stat is under 60 then you can lower down to 1.

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24 Feb 2018 18:23:40 #14

juleski
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You could always just have a stat decreased by 30 instead of always resetting to level 1.

1 reduction
66 -> 36

2 reductions
85 -> 55 -> 25

means to make a 61 you could just have whatever your strength level is going to end up +30 and still use 1 sub and you can also pay more to make leveling even easier if you wanted too.

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24 Feb 2018 19:14:47 #15

War Machine
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What other servers have done is after a certain level is one sub per five levels. So 30 to 1 for one sub. After 30, one sub per five levels. It works very well and makes subs a lot more useful.

- Last edited by War Machine (24 Feb 2018 19:28:48)

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24 Feb 2018 20:03:36 #16

Mr Wealthy
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zyzz wrote
Just make it so if your level is over 60 that you can only lower your stats with sub to 60 lowest. If your stat is under 60 then you can lower down to 1.

Genius. This i like

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24 Feb 2018 20:05:17 #17

Mr Wealthy
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War Machine wrote
What other servers have done is after a certain level is one sub per five levels. So 30 to 1 for one sub. After 30, one sub per five levels. It works very well and makes subs a lot more useful.

Yeah but 5 levels is a little harsh. A reasonable amount would be every 10-20 atleast.

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24 Feb 2018 23:15:21 #18

bensletje
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Mr Wealthy wrote
Well yeah it's all common sense to have it at 99. Staker or not. You pay for a stat deduction you should be able to decide how far down I want!

+1

I understand it's a bit unfair for ones who already made their chars etc but things move on... Lets make it as it was on real emu:
5 subs from 99 and 1 sub from 30?

- Last edited by bensletje (24 Feb 2018 23:15:42)

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27 Feb 2018 13:25:55 #19

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Should be 1 sub = 99. Buy 5-10 subs just to lower a stat? No thanks.

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27 Feb 2018 16:54:28 #20

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