I have literally logged on every few days for weeks, for months now solely to check the edgeville border.
Why, the fuck, does nobody pk on any levels? I essentially feel like this isn't runescape anymore. I have no idea what everyone is doing but seriously like to me it doesn't even seem to be the same game. I did my grinding, I don't want to sit around staking all day and I hate flats pking, can someone please explain to me what it is , what is the shift within the playerbase that leads to literally no pking happening at the border whatsoever?
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It's inevitable on every server. There are 200 players in the entire world that play this game. To top it off, RSC has the most toxic playerbase I've ever seen in online gaming. A new player has NO chance PKing or Staking. Good skills have been nerfed (thieving/runecrafting). This was done to boost early sub sales. Thieving is being re-batched now, and RuneCrafting Souls have already been re-buffed now that initial hype and sub sales have died down. There have been zero updates apart from Nerfs.
Admin Hope already left. Wonder why.. probably because players are dropping like flies and sales dropped off. Sounds like deja vu.. lmao. Simply put there aren't enough players left, everyone with half a brain knows it and every server is simply a cash grab. Enjoy it while you can, we're a dying breed.
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It's inevitable on every server. There are 200 players in the entire world that play this game. To top it off, RSC has the most toxic playerbase I've ever seen in online gaming. A new player has NO chance PKing or Staking. Good skills have been nerfed (thieving/runecrafting). This was done to boost early sub sales. Thieving is being re-batched now, and RuneCrafting Souls have already been re-buffed now that initial hype and sub sales have died down. There have been zero updates apart from Nerfs.
Admin Hope already left. Wonder why.. probably because players are dropping like flies and sales dropped off. Sounds like deja vu.. lmao. Simply put there aren't enough players left, everyone with half a brain knows it and every server is simply a cash grab. Enjoy it while you can, we're a dying breed.
War Machine,
I don't know where to start, but let's get a few of your facts straight.
- Yes, RuneScape Classic does have a lot of toxic players, and you seem to fall in the same category (with your negativity).
- Hope left due to personal circumstances (IRL things) and nothing to do with "sub sales dropping off" or "players dropping like flies".
- We still manage to peak at 150 players online quite frequently (130 at the time of this post, 11:39AM PST, on a Monday). We also have similar numbers to our competitor.
- The decisions to nerf certain skills, was to prevent a catastrophic influx of GP to our economy, and hope the changes made were beneficial for longevity and the future of the server.
- We are not devoting our time and effort, just to try and use this server as a "cash grab" as you imply.
- There is only two of us who have knowledge with development (Rain being the java developer, for the game source), so trying to balance life, and the server sometimes collide. That being said, there have still been updates, fixes, and changes which require a great amount of time. Furthermore, we had multiple events we had to be online for, monitor, and also implement for your enjoyment.
These are just a few of my thoughts regarding your post. You need to understand, we are here because we love the game/the nostalgia it brings, and want to further develop it. It seems you don't any more. If you are not enjoying the game and are just here to knock how it's managed, then maybe you should ask yourself if this is the place for you.
Thanks,
Pyru
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and to say a new player has no place in staking or pking is also a joke. I started runescape private servers on august 28th on leghacy and i'm sure if u played more than to rwt the rares you collected, im sure you noticed I was a pretty big entity quite quickly. yeah i got killed over and over but within months i was dropping the top pkers except for Goat and Hybrid Pwner, but on that note i wasn't even trying to pk. I always farmed and had a pker logged out when someone come for my farmer and eventually nobody tried goin at me anymore except american and we all would see global full of tears when that would happen.
I'd be curious to see xp and gp gained since i joined this server... but naw new guys have no place - war machine 2018
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It's inevitable on every server. There are 200 players in the entire world that play this game. To top it off, RSC has the most toxic playerbase I've ever seen in online gaming. A new player has NO chance PKing or Staking. Good skills have been nerfed (thieving/runecrafting). This was done to boost early sub sales. Thieving is being re-batched now, and RuneCrafting Souls have already been re-buffed now that initial hype and sub sales have died down. There have been zero updates apart from Nerfs.
Admin Hope already left. Wonder why.. probably because players are dropping like flies and sales dropped off. Sounds like deja vu.. lmao. Simply put there aren't enough players left, everyone with half a brain knows it and every server is simply a cash grab. Enjoy it while you can, we're a dying breed.
War Machine,
I don't know where to start, but let's get a few of your facts straight.
- Yes, RuneScape Classic does have a lot of toxic players, and you seem to fall in the same category (with your negativity).
- Hope left due to personal circumstances (IRL things) and nothing to do with "sub sales dropping off" or "players dropping like flies".
- We still manage to peak at 150 players online quite frequently (130 at the time of this post, 11:39AM PST, on a Monday). We also have similar numbers to our competitor.
- The decisions to nerf certain skills, was to prevent a catastrophic influx of GP to our economy, and hope the changes made were beneficial for longevity and the future of the server.
- We are not devoting our time and effort, just to try and use this server as a "cash grab" as you imply.
- There is only two of us who have knowledge with development (Rain being the java developer, for the game source), so trying to balance life, and the server sometimes collide. That being said, there have still been updates, fixes, and changes which require a great amount of time. Furthermore, we had multiple events we had to be online for, monitor, and also implement for your enjoyment.These are just a few of my thoughts regarding your post. You need to understand, we are here because we love the game/the nostalgia it brings, and want to further develop it. It seems you don't any more. If you are not enjoying the game and are just here to knock how it's managed, then maybe you should ask yourself if this is the place for you.
Thanks,
Pyru
Look m8s I'm not here to shoot shit at the admins, if I was I'd still be bitching about them allowing me to get scammed by that Runescape/Robot kid by changing up the shops everyday without telling anyone prior.
What I want to see from the staff is some sort of effort to direct people to pking. I don't know what everyone is doing but what is runescape without border pking. That's where the fanbase truly lies, I feel like that is what people really want, but from logging on you would never make that assumption.
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and to say a new player has no place in staking or pking is also a joke. I started runescape private servers on august 28th on leghacy and i'm sure if u played more than to rwt the rares you collected, im sure you noticed I was a pretty big entity quite quickly. yeah i got killed over and over but within months i was dropping the top pkers except for Goat and Hybrid Pwner, but on that note i wasn't even trying to pk. I always farmed and had a pker logged out when someone come for my farmer and eventually nobody tried goin at me anymore except american and we all would see global full of tears when that would happen.
I'd be curious to see xp and gp gained since i joined this server... but naw new guys have no place - war machine 2018
You're a rare gem Yauker, a real Rsc player. Are there new guys that will deal with being multied everytime they step in the wilderness, be it to train or PK, yes. Will a majority of players that are completely new to the scene take that and stick around, no.
I'm not knocking anyone. Teaming and Multing has been a big part of RSC for years, even necessary to compensate the lack of players. But when a REAL new guy tries pking for the first time and gets teamed by 6 accounts, the majority of them don't go make a team. The majority says fuck this and never comes back. There have been steps to try and prevent this, such as the 1 IP rule, which never goes well. Even if everyone was happy with 1ip, there will always guys teaming with friends. Once you've been 6v1'd enough times you aren't gonna try PKing alone or Soloing on just one account. With a lack of players, there aren't many options. As a longtime RSC player, I understand this. That doesnt make it any less discouraging for guys that are fresh to the scene.
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is true but what can ya do... if other pvp training options existed or the servers that implemented them would last it would be great... That capture the flag from leghacy or even free pk events here and there yeah they suck for economy but teach alot who wouldnt normally be caught in the wildy risking rune ever a chance to go balls deep over n over and learn some things maybe even gain some courage to risk their own stuff when the weekend or whatever ends
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past 5-6 years there has been zero support towards PK'ing/PK'ers, on any server around. it's amazing how it's still being made like a journey, to create an account, to train it, to get supplies and then realize after all those hours that it just won't work, whether it's because there's nobody to fight against or you just find yourself from a position that action would happen on certain level, but your account isn't at that level. and then there's that thing called timezones and there's basically 3 of them. on your timezone, there might not be any fights at all, except weekends and if all the stars are on the line, there might be someone but that's just one day.
it's no suprise for me when there's zero support towards PK'ing/PK'ers, when it's being made too hard to be competitive on your near 30s and when there's literally 200 players which has X amount of PK'ers, there's zero action on most levels. it's just the way it is and seriously, what's the point to even put any hours on this if you know how it's gonna end when it's been repeated in 10 different servers, with 10 different "failures" about how to get PK'ing scene going. it's always the same, you're the slave, you work your ass off, you have shit drop rates, your playing takes most dedication to keep yourself "set" as far it comes to PK'ing supplies and in return, you get nothing but another server reset.
it's actually funny as hell past 7 years or something i'v seen people putting more hours AFK'ing those accounts time after time, reset after reset than actually playing the game and that should tell something about the ideology of the people in charge. there used to be tons of 33s, 36s, 38s, 41s etc but all their accounts are gone, so are the supplies and the people behind.
sad.
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I see all sides in this. I have 1 main skiller account and several alts for supplies. I enjoy the grind in skilling, have never been a good pker.
Agreed that there are only 200 people in the world that still play and love rsc. My playing time dating back to 2001.
Any newcomers to the server are unfortunately quickly turned away. I have asked several 15+ year rs friends to try out rsce, when they do, the global chat toxic garbage is the first thing they notice and quickly shy away from. If you haven't been playing these servers for a few years then you're not going to stick around for that, especially with no way to hide it and still see local chat and pm's.
200 people is not going to set up awesome border pking like varrock border was in 01-03. Remember they had 4 servers with 2k plus on all the time.
Biggest thing we lack is numbers, if you want border pking get your friends to make accounts. Ask your osrs and rs3 friends to try it out.
Until then we are a dying breed.
Sad but true.
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Biggest thing we lack is numbers, if you want border pking get your friends to make accounts. Ask your osrs and rs3 friends to try it out.
Until then we are a dying breed.
biggest potential playerbase around is the players who played these private servers in the past. all this server got to offer for them is another restart in the future. if they had something to start off, like their previous work would still exist, starting again would be alot easier. now it's just big fuck you in the face, grind or die mentality and zero respect towards the hard work that player put in here in the past. i'v always said, XP rates shouldn't even be a thing when it comes to combat stats because all it represents is time. you can put 2000 hours in here and AFK all those accounts, but it has nothing to do with actual gameplay so why we're even wasting anyone's time in here, for such a thing which contributes absolutely nothing to this game except sub sales, which would be easily fixed by changing that sub card straight up ready PK'er. now it's time + sub(not necessary) = PK'er when we could just remove the time and make it sub = PK'er or if anybody wants to, he could do it in a tradiotinal way, so it would just be another option. then it wouldn't matter whether you have time or money, you could buy few PK'ers if you don't have time or train few of them if you don't have money. that would maximize the amount of potential PK'ers since there's more options to get into the PK'ing scene, instead of waiting till everyone has trained their accounts, which again didn't contribute anything to this game but that time being away from actual thing, PK'ing.
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Rsc is much more than pking. A lot of people like the grind.
If you're only here for pking than i feel for you. To compete you have to make x number of accounts at x number of levels to stay competitive with the multi logging. Very few people have the time to do this, and they are the great pkers that run the server. Say what you want about them but it's true, they are good at it.
I can't hardly bury drag bones at baby reds for 5 minutes without getting attacked by the other guys alt at baby reds.
But i won't complain about it, it's the wilderness and I've been around long enough to realize that's how you have to play to be competitive in the wilderness now.
Pay for pkers... it's an interesting idea and I've heard you say it on here hundreds of times. You're scorned by the resets and multiple times you've made accounts, understandable, it's a huge investment of time. But paying real money for "pkers" devalues everyone else's achievements.
If that's what you want to do it's available. You can buy subs then buy someone's account for gp.
Guess it all depends on how much you are willing to spend.
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I feel like the majority of us struggle with coming to grips that this is indeed a dying game and the players of this game are also, as aforementioned, a dying breed. Pyru & Company have done a wonderful job preserving what we all love, and for that I am indebted to them.
I think we just have to realize that what we have, and what it has become, is all we’ve got and there’s very little that can be done to change that without the proper influx of players. It’s still a private server, and to me, 150 unique IPs is still a victory to behold.
I do agree that border pking needs to make a comeback. It kind of helps people like myself & others who only solo pk, and it’s also a little more affordable. But resurrecting the border scene is not up to the administration; it’s up to you, me, and everyone else who wants to see life breathed into it.
I love you wild hooligans, RSC has consistently been a second home for me for over 15 years. If this is indeed the start of a decline, then I would see to it that we make that decline as enjoyable as humanly possible.
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Pay for pkers... it's an interesting idea and I've heard you say it on here hundreds of times. You're scorned by the resets and multiple times you've made accounts, understandable, it's a huge investment of time. But paying real money for "pkers" devalues everyone else's achievements.
If that's what you want to do it's available. You can buy subs then buy someone's account for gp.
Guess it all depends on how much you are willing to spend.
the point in here is to save everyone's time and put all that time on a 150-200 playerbase game straight into actual thing, called PK'ing. i can't understand the point of spending any minute to make a PK'er because let's be honest in here, making a PK'er isn't fun. smithing is fun, crafting is fun or any type of skilling must be fun, if you keep doing it and keep reaching those goals you've set for yourself, to have certain skill total or just generally enjoying about seeing the progress of your character. nobody here makes PK'ers just for fun, it's just "necessary" thing to do, for being able to PK and play this game in a way you'd like to. skillers can set a timeframe for themselves or they can keep doing it for X amount of time and it doesn't really matter because it's the way they see this game being played and it's exactly what they're looking from this game, but if you're a PK'er and you want to PK, there's no way you're going to wait 6 months and act like you're playing this game in a way you always wanted to, right? making a PK'er and generally enjoying about those stats, feeling kind of proud that you have a sick account are way behind. now it's just a a progress you would like to bypass if it was possible and you would rather spend all that time on PK'ing, instead of sitting behind your computer and waiting till enough hobgoblins attacked on you and you got your stats and after all that waiting, you have gained enough experience to head into the wilderness. in my opinion, it's pure stupidity to make people do all of that in such a "small" playerbase, when we are already struggeling with possible PK'ers in the wilderness. it would be way smarter to make people PK all that time which would go to that "waiting progress" till your account is ready, to actual thing A.K.A PK'ing.
can't see why it would be "wrong" because it would just be an another option to that traditional way training. and about devaluing others accomplisments? i think it's bigger problem to people actually have nobody to fight against, to enjoy about their accomplisments. i have never seen a guy complaining about an admin coming to PK with a set accounts, because he's an admin, may i ask why? what does it actually change in there? i personally would rather have 3x people PK'ing with whatever way they got their accounts, don't you? and the difference between an account which was bought via GP(which might have been botted as well) and the difference between an account which was bought via sub, is there actually a difference? is that time investment so important in this game, when we're living in a world where time is almost the most valuable asset to have? all that time spent on making accounts instead of PK'ing, what's the point for real? what if it's made that when you buy that account via sub, you need to wait X amount of time, approved by community till you're ready to PK with it? sounds pretty fucking ridiclous to me, but it's basically how it is currently.
it's just an idea to boost PK'ing scene, to offer old players to come back just by buying couple subs instead of spending countless of hours from their limited spare time, in order to be able to play this game in 2018.
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I tend to agree, I'm not going to spend the time making multiple accounts to multi log and pk on. 80 percent of my game time is on mobile.
I'm also not going to solo in wild to get my ass kicked by someone multi logging.
What if something was implemented that you could purchase a pker package for real life money. Said package would include a set of characters with pking stats already achieved, and a few sets of equipment. Downside of doing this is they always maintain 100 fatigue. So no skilling on the accounts. It would be a quick way to get people pking like you said. I realize this would add new items into server but i think it's old enough now it wouldn't be an issue.
I also think wilderness needs to have 1ip days... or 1ip levels, example lvls 1-20 1ip, 21-40 2ip, something like that.
Just sharing thoughts.
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Pay for pkers... it's an interesting idea and I've heard you say it on here hundreds of times. You're scorned by the resets and multiple times you've made accounts, understandable, it's a huge investment of time. But paying real money for "pkers" devalues everyone else's achievements.
If that's what you want to do it's available. You can buy subs then buy someone's account for gp.
Guess it all depends on how much you are willing to spend.the point in here is to save everyone's time and put all that time on a 150-200 playerbase game straight into actual thing, called PK'ing. i can't understand the point of spending any minute to make a PK'er because let's be honest in here, making a PK'er isn't fun. smithing is fun, crafting is fun or any type of skilling must be fun, if you keep doing it and keep reaching those goals you've set for yourself, to have certain skill total or just generally enjoying about seeing the progress of your character. nobody here makes PK'ers just for fun, it's just "necessary" thing to do, for being able to PK and play this game in a way you'd like to. skillers can set a timeframe for themselves or they can keep doing it for X amount of time and it doesn't really matter because it's the way they see this game being played and it's exactly what they're looking from this game, but if you're a PK'er and you want to PK, there's no way you're going to wait 6 months and act like you're playing this game in a way you always wanted to, right? making a PK'er and generally enjoying about those stats, feeling kind of proud that you have a sick account are way behind. now it's just a a progress you would like to bypass if it was possible and you would rather spend all that time on PK'ing, instead of sitting behind your computer and waiting till enough hobgoblins attacked on you and you got your stats and after all that waiting, you have gained enough experience to head into the wilderness. in my opinion, it's pure stupidity to make people do all of that in such a "small" playerbase, when we are already struggeling with possible PK'ers in the wilderness. it would be way smarter to make people PK all that time which would go to that "waiting progress" till your account is ready, to actual thing A.K.A PK'ing.
can't see why it would be "wrong" because it would just be an another option to that traditional way training. and about devaluing others accomplisments? i think it's bigger problem to people actually have nobody to fight against, to enjoy about their accomplisments. i have never seen a guy complaining about an admin coming to PK with a set accounts, because he's an admin, may i ask why? what does it actually change in there? i personally would rather have 3x people PK'ing with whatever way they got their accounts, don't you? and the difference between an account which was bought via GP(which might have been botted as well) and the difference between an account which was bought via sub, is there actually a difference? is that time investment so important in this game, when we're living in a world where time is almost the most valuable asset to have? all that time spent on making accounts instead of PK'ing, what's the point for real? what if it's made that when you buy that account via sub, you need to wait X amount of time, approved by community till you're ready to PK with it? sounds pretty fucking ridiclous to me, but it's basically how it is currently.
it's just an idea to boost PK'ing scene, to offer old players to come back just by buying couple subs instead of spending countless of hours from their limited spare time, in order to be able to play this game in 2018.
I sat there and watched you post this in Spring of last year on Leg. Posted what was wrong and exactly what would happen for MONTHS. You were belittled and flamed over and over. I remember going back over your posts and literally every single solitary thing you said was going to happen, happened. Leg crashed and burned the way you said it would. It's so funny bc history repeats itself. Here we are, again.. starting out with Imposter and Mud, I mean Crooks and Hobbs, oh fuck sorry. 3rd name change. Rain and Hope. And here we go again.. Hope dropped out for "personal reasons". 3rd time's a charm.
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Some players don't care whatsoever about pking. That's actually a thing. I don't want to be pushed toward doing something I hate. If people want to PK fine, if they want to recruit friends to come PK with them, also fine. Don't push skillers to PK. Pkers and skillers are two different breeds, and BOTH are dying equally. I've read through all of this and read comments about no server paying attention or catering to PKers etc. This is absolute hogwash. Pkers are extremely pampered. The skill rates on this server are like 10x, that kills 90% of all skilling in favor of getting end game content into the hands of Pkers quickly so that they do not have to skill. When you can level 4x rune miners and a smith inside of 1 month simultaneously, pkers rule the world. Good luck if your a skiller trying to sell a hard earned lot of mith ore, tuna fish, or any mid-game skilling content. You max out, sell all your shit to pkers for pennies, and have nothing left to grind. Meanwhile pkers go OMGAWD my afk combat rate is too low plz boost. It's already 10x the original speed. The game itself is meant to be a grind, getting 99 prayer is meant to be prestigious, so is 99 str or anything else. Remember back in the day when you didn't even have a flats on RSC, but you still PK'd lower levels at border? That's because you didn't have time to train flats. A lot of those pkers in the 30s back then... that was the main account. And it was a struggle for some to be able to provide food for that account. And when you got a pk, that addy set or whatever FELT FUCKING GOOD. The PK loot back then mattered. Now you can get flats in a week or two, and have multiple rune miners generating a never ending supply of rune sets for the same effort it took back then to get the level to mine mithril. And everyone sits and scratches their heads like it's some big mystery as to why Pking is dead. It doesn't matter to anyone but the players already doing it. The initial draw of pking back in 2001 was that the loot felt good. REALLY good. No new player is going to get on here and go YEAH LET ME GO PK. Just to get piled by multiples (expecially on same IPs). Tbh, I referred several of my family and old friends to the rsc community, and they found toxic chats and left as well. "A bunch of stupid toxic druggies" they said. Now why would I ever try to refer a friend into that? Without word of mouth the community will die. We need to advertise, and grow the fuck up and be on good behavior when the new players arrive. If you pile the fuck out of them in the wild, don't complain when they only want to skill after that or quit entirely.
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